[07:27:52] Marcelo Tramontano adicionou madamekarahani ao chat
[07:28:03] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : hi
[07:29:06] madamekarahani diz : hi good morning!
[07:29:13] Marcelo Tramontano diz : katrin and filiz can maybe present shortly their project first of all?
[07:29:14] fale_com_sabia diz : hi!ç
[07:29:25] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : morning
[07:29:28] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : !
[07:29:35] madamekarahani diz : i am filiz and next to me there is kathrin...
[07:30:18] ariane dandrea diz : hello!
[07:30:39] madamekarahani diz : hey everybody! In a team of 5 students (2 urban designers and 3 cultural studies students) we are working on surveillance in postmodern cities. Just 4 info...
[07:31:18] madamekarahani diz : I don't know whether Mr. Tramontano already gave you the link to our first presentation !?
[07:32:08] madamekarahani diz : We are very curious as we are a very mixed group know: mechatronics, nurse, architects, cultural students, urban designers... ;) Really cool!
[07:32:13] ariane dandrea diz : yes, he did
[07:32:50] madamekarahani diz : Then did you take a look? What do you think of our initial ideas?
[07:33:39] ariane dandrea diz : we are looking just now...
[07:33:49] madamekarahani diz : okay take your time...
[07:35:59] Marcelo Tramontano adicionou bruna biagioni ao chat
[07:37:00] madamekarahani diz : welcome bruna :)
[07:37:34] madamekarahani diz : we like your project at usp!
[07:38:39] ariane dandrea diz : you did a quite nice analyses of the question of surveillance..
[07:39:43] madamekarahani diz : thank you ariane! now we have to choose our direction... if there is enough time it would be great if everybody could tell about his recent projects... we are very very interested...
[07:43:36] fale_com_sabia diz : Do you know something about z.IP? specially R.astro?
[07:44:06] madamekarahani diz : no, what is it?
[07:44:41] fale_com_sabia diz : It a project that we are about to finish, one of the purpused objects
[07:45:09] madamekarahani diz : can you explain it a little bit further? what is the goal of the project?
[07:45:13] fale_com_sabia diz : zip is a group that researsh for objects interactives and portables
[07:46:25] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : I think the goal is to map peoples alking in the city
[07:46:35] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : walking
[07:48:07] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : it is a wearble object with a gps
[07:48:18] fale_com_sabia diz : its intend to shows the center and the border of the user in the city
[07:48:48] madamekarahani diz : sounds awesome! another group here works on this theme to... as you all are "a little" more experienced in projects: do you have any recommendation for how to continue now for our work?
[07:49:19] fale_com_sabia diz : estimulating him to understand his space in the city and to discover others parts of it
[07:50:24] ariane dandrea diz : what are your inicial ideas?
[07:50:25] madamekarahani diz : you're still telling about your project, right?
[07:51:24] bruna biagioni diz : let's talk about your project now!! :)
[07:51:40] madamekarahani diz : we don't have concret ideas yet, but we thought about the following aspects: produced safety, usefulness of surveillance, differents actors in the surveillance area
[07:52:46] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : I think it is important to recognize how we think and use the public spaces
[07:53:01] Marcelo Tramontano diz : filiz and katrin
[07:53:06] Marcelo Tramontano diz : the url is:
[07:53:08] Marcelo Tramontano diz : http://www.nomads.usp.br/virus/virus02/artigos_nomads/nojimoto.php
[07:53:17] madamekarahani diz : thank you!
[07:53:56] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : I would like to reconmend the cosmopolis
[07:55:05] fale_com_sabia diz : http://www.nomads.usp.br/virus/virus02/artigos_convidados/benayoun.php
[07:55:19] ariane dandrea diz : you should elaborate an interactive object from that ideas?
[07:55:47] madamekarahani diz : we watched the z.IP video! It's really good! Nice work!
[07:56:23] fale_com_sabia diz : thank you
[07:57:43] madamekarahani diz : We will tell our first idea: in the beginning we had the idea to to something like "shop window reverse": we want to use screens in the city where you look at usually (shop windows, etc.) and let them "observe" the pedestrians.
[07:58:10] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : ok
[07:58:25] madamekarahani diz : but we didn't think about it in detail...
[07:59:09] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : do U have some specific place?
[08:10:35] madamekarahani diz : for graziele: We will tell our first idea: in the beginning we had the idea to to something like "shop window reverse": we want to use screens in the city where you look at usually (shop windows, etc.) and let them "observe" the pedestrians.
[08:11:15] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : ahã..
[08:11:18] madamekarahani diz : the reeperbahn in hamburg is a entertainment and red light district in the city of hamburg. http://www.hamburg-intern.de/onTEAM/medien/fotos/480/has151.jpg
[08:11:33] madamekarahani diz : http://www.geo-reisecommunity.de/bild/regular/55413/Reeperbahn-bei-Nacht.jpg
[08:11:48] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : I was talking to a group that was working in the same place...
[08:11:57] Isabel diz : yes we analysed the Reeperbahn and observation at this district
[08:12:17] madamekarahani diz : yes it was coincidence...
[08:12:23] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : hehehe
[08:12:37] Isabel diz : people don't pay attention to the cameras and so we want to show people how they are observed
[08:12:49] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : ok...
[08:13:02] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : but waht is the feedback for people?
[08:13:23] Isabel diz : on big screens they are shown
[08:13:47] Isabel diz : the pedestrians. And they will recognize the observation
[08:13:47] madamekarahani diz : we are reacting on the peoples behaviour. they will see it like isabel said... somehow...
[08:15:25] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : do U think it wuold be easy to put the cameras in several places?
[08:16:24] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : have you seen a projetc at ZKM that they put a camera in a mockup of a toillet box, exact in the entrance of it?
[08:16:26] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : and are U going to put the display across the street?
[08:16:43] madamekarahani diz : i think putting one cam there is complex enough... besides, there are a few observation cams already as you saw in our presentation. we could use one of them, or the location at least...
[08:17:10] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : of course putting it in many places will be a harder work... but that is not the questions I think...
[08:17:11] ariane dandrea diz : they would realize that they have been observed just by the screens..but would not be able to see were the cameras are hidden?
[08:17:42] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : what is the number of your presentation?
[08:17:51] madamekarahani diz : yeah somewhere in the pedestrian zone like the "Große Freiheit". there are most of the clubs and bars but less "other etablissements" ;)
[08:18:12] Isabel diz : I don't know exactly but we think we are goup 4 or 5
[08:18:19] madamekarahani diz : we are number 4...
[08:18:47] Isabel diz : Yes.... and maybe this wiuld make people more aware of cameras, to realise that they can be observed all the time
[08:18:53] ELZA LULI MIYASAKA diz : can U use this cameras free?
[08:19:04] Isabel diz : no
[08:19:46] madamekarahani diz : i don't think so. we have to install our own and get the permission of the city government. but at the moment the project is hypothetical, anyway...
[08:20:16] ariane dandrea diz : right..
[08:20:41] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : I think you should explore the way of display the feedback to public
[08:20:52] madamekarahani diz : yes that's the core...
[08:21:15] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : the ideia is strong but it is a very stressed topic
[08:21:44] Isabel diz : of course it is, but nevertheless it is a current topic, people don't know much about it
[08:21:48] Graziele Lautenschlaeger diz : so... maybe find a place were people can see only if they do something
[08:22:18] Isabel diz : And even it is discussed in many newspapers and other media, people don't pay adequate attention to it
[08:22:19] madamekarahani diz : well, the feedback for the pedestrians would be our response which is also shown on the screens in the shop window (because we will be filmed in the back of the shop as well)
[08:23:10] bruna biagioni diz : aboute the input... use the same sort of position of the traditional security cameras can help make the proposal more intelligible to the user, or break this connection it may be more interesting