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[07:11:58] Marcelo Tramontano adicionou Lisa Fromm ao chat

[07:12:10] Marcelo Tramontano diz : can you see each other?

[07:12:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : hey! good morning

[07:12:45] Gabi Carneiro diz : Lisa?

[07:12:48] Lisa Fromm diz : Hey Gabi

[07:12:58] Marcelo Tramontano diz : so lisa and juliane can maybe just present shortly their project?

[07:12:59] Lisa Fromm diz : good morning!

[07:13:47] Gabi Carneiro diz : I took a fast look on your presentation, but maybe you can tell me more about your motivation to propose such a project

[07:13:47] Lisa Fromm diz : ok we try to present it to you in a few sentences:

[07:14:40] Lisa Fromm diz : we want to break this everyday routine where people hurry to their work and don not even look at each other

[07:15:30] Lisa Fromm diz : we want to make them interact more with each other, and also create consciousness about human's diversity

[07:16:11] Lisa Fromm diz : so we thought about public transport as object where a lot of different people come thogehter

[07:17:45] Lisa Fromm diz : there will be a bus for example in sao paulo and in hamburg, people in the bus can see the path from the other city, they can talk to the bus driver ...

[07:17:45] Gabi Carneiro diz : so the idea is to connect two distant places,

[07:17:51] Lisa Fromm diz : yes

[07:19:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : and the first idea would be to put sensors on the benches and a screen?

[07:19:19] Gabi Carneiro diz : this is what I understood from the presentation

[07:19:26] Lisa Fromm diz : yes, thats what we where thinking

[07:20:04] Gabi Carneiro diz : i think it's important to think why would people engage on this idea,

[07:20:23] Lisa Fromm diz : there could be a camera insinde the bus, so that people feel as if they where sitting in the bus from the other city

[07:20:36] Gabi Carneiro diz : because there are a lot of people on buses everyday (specially here in brasil),

[07:21:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : and they do not naturally interact, then, what would invite them to participate on this interaction

[07:21:20] Lisa Fromm diz : ok...so you think they wouldn't care or recognize?

[07:21:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe...

[07:21:58] Gabi Carneiro diz : then it's really important to think about this "invitation" aspect

[07:22:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : how would this make people fell better? what would they get back from this....

[07:23:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : because the buses situation in sao paulo and hamburg is very different

[07:23:17] Lisa Fromm diz : Well, there would be maybe one line, or 5 buses or so... it would be a great event, it is fun, it is interesting

[07:23:23] Lisa Fromm diz : just imagine...

[07:23:28] Gabi Carneiro diz : how can you work with this difference and make something interesting to come out of it

[07:24:08] Lisa Fromm diz : did you see the taxilink?

[07:24:24] Lisa Fromm diz : maybe you can have a quick look at it

[07:24:33] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok, just a sec

[07:25:41] Gabi Carneiro diz : the link is not working

[07:25:41] Gabi Carneiro diz : http://www.80plus1.org/projects/taxilinkk

[07:27:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok, now i got it

[07:29:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : nice project

[07:29:56] Marcelo Tramontano diz : gabi

[07:30:12] Marcelo Tramontano diz : their internet connection is off

[07:30:22] Marcelo Tramontano diz : but they are coming back in a few minutes

[07:30:24] Gabi Carneiro diz : but anyway, if you are choosing a bus, instead of a taxi, the hole picture changes

[07:30:38] Marcelo Tramontano diz : just a moment, they are not online right now

[07:30:45] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok marcelo, I'll then wait for their contact

[07:30:57] Marcelo Tramontano diz : thnx!

[07:33:00] Lisa Fromm diz : here we are again

[07:33:01] Lisa Fromm diz : we w

[07:33:05] Lisa Fromm diz : are sorry!

[07:33:17] Lisa Fromm diz : the computer went off

[07:33:59] Marcelo Tramontano adicionou Vítor Locilento Sanches ao chat

[07:34:11] Lisa Fromm diz : okay, we unserstand what you mean

[07:34:20] Marcelo Tramontano diz : vitor can u see us?

[07:34:27] Lisa Fromm diz : hey vitor

[07:35:11] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yeah!I can read!

[07:35:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes

[07:35:31] Gabi Carneiro diz : I mean, is just something that you have to think

[07:35:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : you have vitor on your team, he can picture what is it to be in a crowded bus in sao paulo

[07:36:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : i do think it's interesting to make people relax during their journey

[07:36:24] Gabi Carneiro diz : but how would you do it

[07:36:52] Gabi Carneiro diz : if it's a video, what they would see is a very crowded bus X a normal one

[07:37:10] Gabi Carneiro diz : so maybe you can think about other way to interact

[07:37:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : and also the language is a big thing

[07:37:36] Gabi Carneiro diz : so maybe this interaction can be htrough colors, or music

[07:37:44] Gabi Carneiro diz : do you get what I mean?

[07:37:50] Lisa Fromm diz : we felt that just talking to the driver who lives in the city, who tells his story, who shows his city would be such a personal experience, also emotionel this was just an example how we try to connect 2 different worlds

[07:38:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : but then, why a bus?

[07:38:45] Lisa Fromm diz : yes that was a bit like the idea we had with the sensors...vitor-can you explain it to Gabi?

[07:39:07] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : if it is just the driver it could be any other thing....

[07:39:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : I agree

[07:39:18] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes I think I can..

[07:40:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : the taxi link is about people looking at another city, and there's no way around

[07:40:39] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe you can explore this two way interaction

[07:41:28] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : the idea is to put pressure sensors on the sitting places, and also lights........when you use it in Hamburg the same place in Sao Paulo would be showing some lights.....

[07:42:12] Gabi Carneiro diz : and what else?

[07:42:20] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : it's like you know that where you see lights there is someone in another place at the same time at the "same" situation as you...

[07:43:02] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok... maybe it would be interesting if you could also engage people on a story

[07:43:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : then is not just about connecting

[07:43:29] Gabi Carneiro diz : let me explain better:

[07:43:49] Lisa Fromm diz : okay...

[07:43:56] Gabi Carneiro diz : besides the sensores, it would be interesting if people could actually send messages to each other

[07:44:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : like a smile , or a hug,

[07:44:23] Gabi Carneiro diz : or a good morning

[07:44:38] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : there is this idea too

[07:44:46] Lisa Fromm diz : yes, we really want them to interact, to talk to each other, to see each other, maye to feel eachother (the sensors)

[07:45:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : they would not talk to each other....

[07:45:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : believe me....

[07:45:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : ;)

[07:45:12] Lisa Fromm diz : maye there just has to be a limited amount of peole in the bus or tram..

[07:45:38] Lisa Fromm diz : but in linz and jerusalem they did talk to each other

[07:45:52] Lisa Fromm diz : it is your chice to get into the bus

[07:45:54] Gabi Carneiro diz : but its two people X one taxi driver

[07:46:07] Lisa Fromm diz : choice

[07:46:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : and they choosed a taxi driver that speaks english

[07:46:40] Gabi Carneiro diz : but we're talking about real people, daily people, workers.... at least form our side

[07:46:46] Gabi Carneiro diz : from the brasilian side

[07:46:52] Lisa Fromm diz : yes

[07:46:56] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I told them....hehe

[07:47:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : you do have to take it into account

[07:47:13] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : really do

[07:47:19] Gabi Carneiro diz : if you decide to connect two buses, from hamburg and sao paulo

[07:47:26] Gabi Carneiro diz : this is a very specific task

[07:47:30] Gabi Carneiro diz : a very interesting one

[07:47:46] Gabi Carneiro diz : but is not a general project ....

[07:47:52] Lisa Fromm diz : ok so we have to find a nonverbal communication process?

[07:47:53] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : symbols would be better.........they are international....that's why we came up with the lights

[07:48:12] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes, symbols are better.

[07:49:03] Gabi Carneiro diz : and then you can think about how this participation takes place

[07:49:25] Gabi Carneiro diz : not just by siting on the bench....

[07:50:10] Gabi Carneiro diz : because in brazil a lot of people have to stay stand

[07:50:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : stand up

[07:51:31] Gabi Carneiro diz : the thing is, maybe you found this amazing project (taxi link) and now, because you like it so much, you're kind of trying to replicate it

[07:51:51] Lisa Fromm diz : what would be an inducement to participate for Brazilian people to take part in this interaction?

[07:52:29] Gabi Carneiro diz : first they would need to understand what is going on

[07:52:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : you're talking about people that 90% has never gone abroad

[07:53:06] Lisa Fromm diz : no, actually we had our idea before to connect two differnt metropolises through public transport and the vitor told us about taxi link

[07:53:08] Gabi Carneiro diz : (the people in the bus)

[07:53:10] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : we didn't came up with the whole idea yet..

[07:53:44] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : it's just a first brainstorming that we did...

[07:53:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : then they would need to really get something out of it

[07:54:00] Lisa Fromm diz : and what would that be?

[07:54:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : it can be knowledge, or maybe a good feeling...

[07:54:26] Lisa Fromm diz : isn't it just nice to have fun, to get to learn something new...

[07:54:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : i don't know, I'm just pushing you to think about these things....

[07:54:35] Lisa Fromm diz : yes!

[07:55:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : so, if it's about learning, what exactly would they learn?

[07:55:27] Gabi Carneiro diz : (just brainstorming)

[07:55:50] Lisa Fromm diz : something about the german culture, just by seeing the people there, the city... but the feeling is more important

[07:55:59] Gabi Carneiro diz : - besides the fact that the public transportation in hamburg is much more confortable and has many less people... :)

[07:57:49] Gabi Carneiro diz : is just that, as designers (or as people that are proposing something - i dont know if everybody is a designer there), you have to be more in control of it

[07:58:16] Gabi Carneiro diz : not just think that if they see each other they will learn about each other

[07:58:49] Lisa Fromm diz : so we are still too naiv ;)

[07:59:05] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe.... hehhehehe....

[07:59:24] Lisa Fromm diz : okay, we really want to change this

[07:59:51] Lisa Fromm diz : how could we create it as an interesting thing to geht into the bus and to actually communicate??

[07:59:53] Gabi Carneiro diz : I mean, you have to think as a professional: how can you really make peoples life better through this project?

[08:00:16] Lisa Fromm diz : What do the brasilians say about that - Vitor and Gabi???

[08:00:59] Gabi Carneiro diz : so, you really have to push Vitor to give you these answers

[08:01:10] Gabi Carneiro diz : or to make you understand the differences

[08:01:20] Lisa Fromm diz : Vitor- are you still there??

[08:01:24] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : about what ?

[08:01:27] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes

[08:01:29] Lisa Fromm diz : ok

[08:01:42] Gabi Carneiro diz : I mean, you want to connect two different cultures, and you do have the two different cultures in your team

[08:01:55] Lisa Fromm diz : right

[08:01:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe you can exchange feelings between you

[08:02:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : I don't know.... but I think this is where the project can become interesting

[08:02:17] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes but.......how?

[08:02:23] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : that's the point

[08:02:24] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe the interfaces can be differnt in each bus

[08:02:53] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe in one you'll need some explanation and on the other not

[08:02:54] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I don't know.......first we have to have goal

[08:03:01] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : as you said Gabi....

[08:03:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : but the goal is to connect and exchange feelings and culture, right?

[08:03:20] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : to know what do we want to have with our project

[08:03:31] Lisa Fromm diz : yes!

[08:03:31] Gabi Carneiro diz : as far as I understood....

[08:03:36] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : and the input and output comes together as a suport

[08:03:40] Gabi Carneiro diz : then, you do have a goal

[08:03:44] Gabi Carneiro diz : work on it

[08:03:48] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ok

[08:03:55] Gabi Carneiro diz : which aspects from the culture you want to exchange

[08:04:04] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : but this goal can be everything

[08:04:04] Gabi Carneiro diz : the LAST thing, is the technology

[08:04:22] Gabi Carneiro diz : because the technology can also be anything

[08:04:23] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : since putting an notebook with skype at the centre of the city

[08:04:39] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : to cratting some other kinds of things

[08:04:47] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : that's what I ment as goal

[08:04:58] Lisa Fromm diz : what do you mean vitor?

[08:05:03] Gabi Carneiro diz : i didn't get it vitor

[08:05:36] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : that our goal of connecting people is a wide goal......I think....

[08:06:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : its not vitor!

[08:06:05] Gabi Carneiro diz : think about it

[08:06:13] Lisa Fromm diz : so we have to consentrate on a special aspevt of ineraction

[08:06:17] Gabi Carneiro diz : your goal is not "to connect people"

[08:07:17] Gabi Carneiro diz : is to connect users from a public transportantion from two completly different cultures and context, and give them the possibility to exchange feelings, and maybe to get to know a different culture better

[08:07:30] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : Genau

[08:07:34] Gabi Carneiro diz : and this users are very specific

[08:07:41] Gabi Carneiro diz : they are differnt

[08:08:11] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe they can exchange information about the weather, for example

[08:08:22] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes.....I think the next step is to dyscover this differences or not and think about what do we want to use.....

[08:08:22] Gabi Carneiro diz : because the seasons are different

[08:08:30] Gabi Carneiro diz : very differnt

[08:08:51] Gabi Carneiro diz : it has to be simple

[08:09:25] Lisa Fromm diz : okay, why not... maybe it is good, to tell them some themes they can talk about..?

[08:09:48] Lisa Fromm diz : do you think then people would talk or write to each other

[08:09:49] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes, this is interesting

[08:09:56] Gabi Carneiro diz : no

[08:09:57] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I don't think talking would work

[08:10:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : ahahahah

[08:10:07] Gabi Carneiro diz : no writing and talking

[08:10:15] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : Genau

[08:10:40] Gabi Carneiro diz : it has to colors and sounds

[08:10:49] Gabi Carneiro diz : forget about writing and talking....

[08:11:03] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : or symbols.......as smile.....ou clouds.........etc...

[08:11:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes...

[08:11:14] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : sorry...or clouds....

[08:11:27] Gabi Carneiro diz : more like that

[08:11:57] Lisa Fromm diz : ok. what else then?

[08:12:04] Lisa Fromm diz : what symboly??

[08:12:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : the people you're going to deal with, here in brazil, are not high educated

[08:12:08] Lisa Fromm diz : symbols

[08:12:42] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I said that......that lots of them don't know even good portugese...so.......

[08:12:53] Gabi Carneiro diz : that's true.....

[08:12:55] Gabi Carneiro diz : :(

[08:12:58] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : symbols is good

[08:13:19] Lisa Fromm diz : what symbols??

[08:13:25] Gabi Carneiro diz : the symbols would depend on what you're trying to communicate

[08:13:39] Gabi Carneiro diz : for example, if it's weather

[08:13:40] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : hmmm.....depends on what we will comunicate....

[08:14:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : if you decide that people will exchange their feelings about the weather

[08:14:14] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : if it's weather......sun.....clouds......etc.........if it's humor...smile....angry face.....etc...

[08:14:27] Lisa Fromm diz : on a screen?

[08:14:38] Gabi Carneiro diz : then you'd have to think: how would they communicate about the weather, without speaking and writing??

[08:14:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : for example, we had a veeeeerrryyyyy bad rain in são paulo two days ago

[08:15:08] Lisa Fromm diz : hmm...

[08:15:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : in a way that was IMPOSSIBLE to acces the city

[08:15:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : an unbelievible situation

[08:16:29] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : we don't need a screen......we can use it.......but we can use also the same idea as the D-Tower......that people's feelings are shown according to the color of the thinf...

[08:17:28] Gabi Carneiro diz : ask vitor to explain what it means, that the "marginais" from the rivers tiete and pinheiros, were completly flooded

[08:17:32] Gabi Carneiro diz : no cars al ALLLLL

[08:17:41] Gabi Carneiro diz : and then, today, the sky is blue!!!!

[08:17:52] Gabi Carneiro diz : completely different feelings.

[08:18:12] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : and here it's raining

[08:18:32] Gabi Carneiro diz : how can you communicate this? how can people share this feelings?

[08:18:42] Lisa Fromm diz : ok so we have to talk to vitor again and try to develop this idea...to make it more concret

[08:18:47] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : good question

[08:18:53] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : we must think about

[08:19:03] Lisa Fromm diz : yes

[08:19:05] Gabi Carneiro diz : through displays? buttons? tokens?

[08:19:21] Gabi Carneiro diz : what I'm trying to say is that you do have a good idea

[08:19:34] Gabi Carneiro diz : but then you care to pursue it carefully

[08:19:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : not just spreading sensors and screens

[08:20:08] Gabi Carneiro diz : you're talking about feelings, about stories, about contexts

[08:20:18] Lisa Fromm diz : vitor please save this discussion because my akku is empty

[08:20:30] Gabi Carneiro diz : the role that technology takes on it, is that it connects

[08:20:31] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ok

[08:20:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : but WHAT?

[08:20:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : then is about the idea, how deep you can get on it

[08:20:58] Gabi Carneiro diz : got it?

[08:21:13] Lisa Fromm diz : thank you very much Gabi that you took your time for our project... juliane is trying to connect with skype so that we can go on wit this discussion

[08:21:47] Lisa Fromm diz : vitor can you search for juliane von roehl

[08:21:48] Lisa Fromm diz : ?

[08:21:55] Gabi Carneiro diz : just dont forget that you're talking about real people

[08:22:08] Gabi Carneiro diz : and your role is to try to make a difference on their routines

[08:22:16] Gabi Carneiro diz : this is very important....

[08:22:40] Lisa Fromm diz : ok this is a huge target

[08:22:53] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : i'll look for her

[08:23:12] Gabi Carneiro diz : deal with it as it is REALLY a huge and beautiful target...

[08:23:38] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : is she from Düsseldorf?

[08:23:39] Lisa Fromm diz : thanks for your motivation!

[08:23:41] Lisa Fromm diz : :)

[08:23:50] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : k

[08:23:50] Lisa Fromm diz : yes

[08:23:51] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ok

[08:23:58] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : are we finishing this talk?

[08:24:05] Gabi Carneiro diz : I think yes!

[08:24:11] Gabi Carneiro diz : good look for you!!!!

[08:24:18] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ok then I will not add she here

[08:24:21] Gabi Carneiro diz : dont forget; it's about PEOPLE...

[08:24:26] Lisa Fromm diz : ok thank you pretty much Gabi!!

[08:24:40] Gabi Carneiro diz : kein problem! bis bald dann!

[08:24:46] Gabi Carneiro diz : auf viedersehen!

[08:24:52] Lisa Fromm diz : auf wiedersehen :))

[08:24:57] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : thank you gabi!! very nice to talk to you again!!!! thanks for waking up!! hehee

[08:25:08] Gabi Carneiro diz : ;)

[08:25:09] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : auf wiedersehen

[08:25:11] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : lisa

[08:25:16] Lisa Fromm diz : yes thanks for waiking up...

[08:25:17] Gabi Carneiro diz : i wanna know about the results!

[08:25:20] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : i'll save the meeting

[08:25:29] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : but I came a little bit later

[08:25:34] Gabi Carneiro diz : tschüß

[08:25:37] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : maybe I lost some minutes

[08:25:43] Lisa Fromm diz : ok thanks....and we will send our results for you

[08:25:52] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : i'll save what I have here

[08:25:54] Lisa Fromm diz : i will save it too

[08:26:04] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ok! better! then we have 2

[08:26:39] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : so.....see you guys next week......any ideas just send emails and we can discuss on the email

[08:26:44] Lisa Fromm diz : thank you tschüüüüsss!!:)

[08:26:49] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ahh lisa

[08:27:34] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : sorry but I can't go tonight.....I'm kind of sick...I'll try to sleep now to recover for my class at 16.....

[08:27:46] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : but for the night.....it's hard...hehe

[08:27:49] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : sorry...



[08:28:04] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : viel spaß heute abend!

[08:29:07] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : tchau!



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